president of the united states after he got elected and said this is a nixon goes to china moment for you. >> which senator from utah would this have been? >> the junior senator. >> which president would this have been? >> the newly elected one. >> i see. >> instead this is the nixon goes to china moment for you. because if you can be the first democratic president in history to say we have to do something about entitlements, you can build enough political capital that you can then do whatever you want in health care or environment or energy or anything else. >> so there's momentum building for something big? something to solve the problem. i want to hear you talking to one another about what that would be. >> the business community, i believe, let me just say would applaud this. in fact, if we knew that there was a real bipartisan push for infrastructure spending, it might help us keep two factories open. however -- >> really? >> absolutely. because it would be -- it would be work. it would be work. we need tractors. we need things. but i would say two things so that it is not like t